Posts by Psychotic Parrot

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WTS causing more anguish

by GapingMouth in

i don't really know where to start on my first post; i feel i have so much to say and yet i am so emotionally tired that it is hard to go through it all again in my head.

but, i do need support and advice and so i will make the effort.. i started having doubts about certain beliefs of the witnesses about 2 years ago and did research since that i now come to the belief there is no god, and witnesses definitely are a cult.. at first it bothered me more on the god issue, but now i am more bothered by the cult issue, mainly because it dictates my life even though i am aware of it.. when i was a child, my mother and father divorced and my mother told me i will live with my father because she was going to die at armageddon being a non witness.

i think, as well as many other pressures i cant list for fear of a very long post, this was the main pressure that made me get baptized even though i wasn't that happy being a witness.

Psychotic Parrot

Sorry for hijacking your thread gaping.

Hope everything turns out okay for you

As you can see, there is the odd flame war here, but that's always the way it is on the internets

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WTS causing more anguish

by GapingMouth in

i don't really know where to start on my first post; i feel i have so much to say and yet i am so emotionally tired that it is hard to go through it all again in my head.

but, i do need support and advice and so i will make the effort.. i started having doubts about certain beliefs of the witnesses about 2 years ago and did research since that i now come to the belief there is no god, and witnesses definitely are a cult.. at first it bothered me more on the god issue, but now i am more bothered by the cult issue, mainly because it dictates my life even though i am aware of it.. when i was a child, my mother and father divorced and my mother told me i will live with my father because she was going to die at armageddon being a non witness.

i think, as well as many other pressures i cant list for fear of a very long post, this was the main pressure that made me get baptized even though i wasn't that happy being a witness.

Psychotic Parrot

Ah, you're going for the 'atheists are all murderers' angle (soo hypocritical considering no one namedrops religious murderers exactly because there are too many to name), i could probably name about 1000 atheists who think murder is evil (including myself) & as for complaining about people wanting science to be better understood.

I don't think the word 'fail' begins to cover it.

Oh & by the way, Hitler was a roman catholic.

So EXTRA FAIL!

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WTS causing more anguish

by GapingMouth in

i don't really know where to start on my first post; i feel i have so much to say and yet i am so emotionally tired that it is hard to go through it all again in my head.

but, i do need support and advice and so i will make the effort.. i started having doubts about certain beliefs of the witnesses about 2 years ago and did research since that i now come to the belief there is no god, and witnesses definitely are a cult.. at first it bothered me more on the god issue, but now i am more bothered by the cult issue, mainly because it dictates my life even though i am aware of it.. when i was a child, my mother and father divorced and my mother told me i will live with my father because she was going to die at armageddon being a non witness.

i think, as well as many other pressures i cant list for fear of a very long post, this was the main pressure that made me get baptized even though i wasn't that happy being a witness.

Psychotic Parrot

I wouldn't equate JW elders with Christianity. Although it's an easy mistake to make.

Too right, i'm always getting my cults mixed up.

I seem to remember learning in history lessons in school that Stalin tried to eradicate religion, including Christianity, from Russia and it resulted in the loss of millions of lives. I'm assuming you're suggesting something very similar when you describe it as needing to be "fixed". How do you fix something that is innately in human beings without murdering them? You're coming across as stringently zealous as I'm sure you'd accuse the JW elders as being.

Religion needs to be fixed because it causes so much trouble and ultimately is the perpetuation of false hope & an incorrect view of history & the place therein of certain groups of people. But of course i would never do it the way Stalin did, since he wasn't trying to get rid of religion, but rather ANYTHING that threatened his own supremecy, and this just happened to include religion, but it included many other things too. So there is a huge difference. And it's irrelevant anyway, the fact that Stalin was a class A dipshit doesn't mean God exists or atheists are all evil. No more than the existence of muslim suicide bombers means that all muslims are evil. Not all religious people are evil no, but they're still all wrong.

My way of getting rid of religion would be through a mixture of education & the reducing of religion's free ride in society. The more people learn, the less likely they will be to join a religion & of course religious organisations will struggle to maintain themselves once they lose their tax exempt status & other such perks.

Quite why believing in Jesus and doing your best to love your neighbours and your enemies is a "very bad thing" doesn't actually make any logical sense

You're damn right it doesn't. But of course, that isn't what i was calling a bad thing. What i was calling a bad thing was the thing that you were doing, which was far from 'doing your best to love your neighbours'.

You were preaching, pure & simple. It was inappropriate & poorly timed. And i called you out on it.

End of.

and hints at a level of antipathy towards another way of thinking that runs through the veins of only the most dogmatic. But then, Dawkins does describe love as being a part of evolution that's mis-firing.

Science tells us how things work, it's the real deal, the answer isn't always comforting, but then what good would science be if all it did was tickle your ears.

Have you read Dawkins view of eugenics, Hitler and what he felt Hitler was trying to accomplish?

Yes, he is very much against Hitler, as am i & pretty much most other people on earth. And don't go & equate eugenics with Darwinism, that has been debunked & is a strawman. Animal eugenics existed long before Darwin.

If it's ok with you, I'll follow the teachings of Jesus.

If it's ok with you, i'll think for myself.

Also if you were able to put over your argument for your own choice of faith without name calling that would be decent.

I.e. it wouldn't upset baby Jesus?

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I have been SERIOUSLY dissed yesterday!

by AK - Jeff in

i don't even know if 'dissed' is a word still in use these days.

but it fits in this case.. we just rolled in from vacation, got our first mail delivery since getting back yesterday.

in the stack of mail was an envelope with a card.

Psychotic Parrot

You should both turn up at the wedding. If they can shun, then you can gate-crash.

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When you were in, did you have the Watchtower study underlined?

by asilentone in

what happens if you don't?

did they treat you differently?.

Psychotic Parrot

I never underlined, i never pre-studied. My mum was always annoyed with me because of that. She was annoyed that i didn't have a briefcase either.

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WTS causing more anguish

by GapingMouth in

i don't really know where to start on my first post; i feel i have so much to say and yet i am so emotionally tired that it is hard to go through it all again in my head.

but, i do need support and advice and so i will make the effort.. i started having doubts about certain beliefs of the witnesses about 2 years ago and did research since that i now come to the belief there is no god, and witnesses definitely are a cult.. at first it bothered me more on the god issue, but now i am more bothered by the cult issue, mainly because it dictates my life even though i am aware of it.. when i was a child, my mother and father divorced and my mother told me i will live with my father because she was going to die at armageddon being a non witness.

i think, as well as many other pressures i cant list for fear of a very long post, this was the main pressure that made me get baptized even though i wasn't that happy being a witness.

Psychotic Parrot

We haven't outgrown God because we're still needy & easy to take advantage of, not because he exists. The fact you can't demonstrate his existence drives my point home, the name calling is just to let you know that i don't take the existence of christianity lightly, i see it as a very bad thing that needs to be fixed.

Exhibit A) the thread starter, completely at a loss, comes here for advice... why? Because christianity has messed his life up! My advice to him is that he should privately tell the elders where to put their briefcases.

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Read My Dads Crazy Email Trying to Make me Panic bout Armageddon!!

by foolsparadise in

jw
friends

my mom emailed me and asked if they could come to town and go to our district convention with us.

i politley said no thank you we wont be attending.

we havent been to meeting in a long long time.

Psychotic Parrot

Yeah, except Jesus never existed.

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WTS causing more anguish

by GapingMouth in

i don't really know where to start on my first post; i feel i have so much to say and yet i am so emotionally tired that it is hard to go through it all again in my head.

but, i do need support and advice and so i will make the effort.. i started having doubts about certain beliefs of the witnesses about 2 years ago and did research since that i now come to the belief there is no god, and witnesses definitely are a cult.. at first it bothered me more on the god issue, but now i am more bothered by the cult issue, mainly because it dictates my life even though i am aware of it.. when i was a child, my mother and father divorced and my mother told me i will live with my father because she was going to die at armageddon being a non witness.

i think, as well as many other pressures i cant list for fear of a very long post, this was the main pressure that made me get baptized even though i wasn't that happy being a witness.

Psychotic Parrot

Dawkins doesn't dispute that it's an important part of our evolution. He just makes the very valid point that we ought to have outgrown it by now.

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"Wonders of Creation" - new DVD

by Mickey mouse in

if you haven't seen it and can stomach a short clip, check this out (especially the sequence from around one minute in):.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fkxuirinxw&feature=related.

there should be a caption that says "if you are thinking of becoming a jehovah's witness, this is what you can expect from life".. .

Psychotic Parrot

This video is nothing but fluff, the watchtower evidently isn't even putting any effort into their bullshit anymore.

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WTS causing more anguish

by GapingMouth in

i don't really know where to start on my first post; i feel i have so much to say and yet i am so emotionally tired that it is hard to go through it all again in my head.

but, i do need support and advice and so i will make the effort.. i started having doubts about certain beliefs of the witnesses about 2 years ago and did research since that i now come to the belief there is no god, and witnesses definitely are a cult.. at first it bothered me more on the god issue, but now i am more bothered by the cult issue, mainly because it dictates my life even though i am aware of it.. when i was a child, my mother and father divorced and my mother told me i will live with my father because she was going to die at armageddon being a non witness.

i think, as well as many other pressures i cant list for fear of a very long post, this was the main pressure that made me get baptized even though i wasn't that happy being a witness.

Psychotic Parrot

I'm concerned, though, that you've let the God Delusion talk you into no longer believing in God. I wonder if you've researched Dawkins and checked the references in his book?

My eyebrows were raised when I found out that Prospect magazine ran a survey in 2005 which bore the result that Dawkins was one of the world's top 3 intellectuals. When the God Delusion came out, Prospect magazine reviewed it. The title of the review was "Dawkins the dogmatist" and the reviewer labelled the book - and Dawkin's arguments - as "incurious, dogmatic, rambling and self-contradictory".

Dawkins has been inspired by a guy called Antony Flew, who's regarded as one of the fathers of "modern atheism". Flew decided in 2004 that by following the lines of evidence (as a scientist should) he now believes that there is a God. He's written a book about this change in belief called "There is a God".

Sadly, often a JW would rather a person become an atheist than no longer believe in the Governing Body, but I'm pointing these things out to you as I don't think Dawkins is as transparently honest about the facts as people believe he is. And let's face it, the purpose of the God Delusion, as he admits, is to turn religious people into atheists.

It never takes long for religious fanatics to hijack threads on here.

Dawkin's words may be one reason to not believe in God, but the bullshit that most christians come out with is the main reason i do not. If you're not interested in helping people but would rather just preach your theological virus to them then i suggest you avoid posting in threads like this. The thread starter is already having trouble with a cult, don't try and use that against him to tempt him into another cult.